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	<title>Comments on: Saving Journalism, One Idea at a Time</title>
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		<title>By: Dan Gillmor</title>
		<link>http://mediactive.com/2009/06/08/saving-journalism-one-idea-at-a-time/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, I&#039;m pretty much against government direct subsidies of journalism, though I recognize its &lt;a href=&quot;http://mediactive.com/2009/05/13/governments-long-history-of-supporting-journalism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;long history&lt;/a&gt; of at least strong indirect support. 

We especially don&#039;t need some federal R&amp;D or journalism-jobs program. The research and development are racing ahead without it. That&#039;s the key point point of the posting, in fact -- the recognition that 100,000 media experiments &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; the R&amp;D program, spread widely and made possible due to the low cost of trying. (Clay Shirky&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://shirky.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here Comes Everybody&lt;/a&gt; is central to my thinking on this; everyone should read it.) These folks are in the process of creating the employment base for journalism&#039;s future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, I&#8217;m pretty much against government direct subsidies of journalism, though I recognize its <a href="http://mediactive.com/2009/05/13/governments-long-history-of-supporting-journalism/" rel="nofollow">long history</a> of at least strong indirect support. </p>
<p>We especially don&#8217;t need some federal R&#038;D or journalism-jobs program. The research and development are racing ahead without it. That&#8217;s the key point point of the posting, in fact &#8212; the recognition that 100,000 media experiments <em>are</em> the R&#038;D program, spread widely and made possible due to the low cost of trying. (Clay Shirky&#8217;s <a href="http://shirky.com/" rel="nofollow">Here Comes Everybody</a> is central to my thinking on this; everyone should read it.) These folks are in the process of creating the employment base for journalism&#8217;s future.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Stearns</title>
		<link>http://mediactive.com/2009/06/08/saving-journalism-one-idea-at-a-time/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Stearns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
Dan
Agreed, that we need to focus on the whole ecosystem not the individual &quot;big ideas.&quot; However, we may need help to cull and support the best ideas in this new news ecosystem. I think the government can have a role here.
(DigiDave - great metaphor by the way)
It is not just that we have become &quot;accustomed to a media world dominated by monopolies,&quot; instead we have a set of media policies that have been developed for the most part without public input or engagement, that have privilege the corporate, conglomerate media model. While we need to change our mindset about the media world, we also need to change the policies to foster innovation, diversity of voices, quality reporting and the other elements of a media system that will provide communities with the news and info they need.
We need to do this just for the two caveats you mention. &quot;We need a solid supply of people who are willing to take some responsibility for getting quality news and information&quot; and right now way more journalists are losing their jobs then are launching new ventures, leaving big holes in beat reporting and investigative journalism. And &quot;we can&#039;t let government and/or big media take away the freedoms we now have to experiment.&quot; But we must look at ways that government can expand those freedoms and support new kinds experimentation. We have sketched some rough outlines of a journalist jobs program and a federal R&amp;D fund for journalistic innovation in our new report located here&lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/JournalismPolicy.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/JournalismPolicy.&lt;/a&gt;
(Also Paul and Dan - you might also be interested in this analysis and overview of many of the models and solutions being discussed - some mentioned in this post. While our focus was on the policies and political viability behind these models, there may be some use there for your projects.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan<br />
Agreed, that we need to focus on the whole ecosystem not the individual &#8220;big ideas.&#8221; However, we may need help to cull and support the best ideas in this new news ecosystem. I think the government can have a role here.<br />
(DigiDave &#8211; great metaphor by the way)<br />
It is not just that we have become &#8220;accustomed to a media world dominated by monopolies,&#8221; instead we have a set of media policies that have been developed for the most part without public input or engagement, that have privilege the corporate, conglomerate media model. While we need to change our mindset about the media world, we also need to change the policies to foster innovation, diversity of voices, quality reporting and the other elements of a media system that will provide communities with the news and info they need.<br />
We need to do this just for the two caveats you mention. &#8220;We need a solid supply of people who are willing to take some responsibility for getting quality news and information&#8221; and right now way more journalists are losing their jobs then are launching new ventures, leaving big holes in beat reporting and investigative journalism. And &#8220;we can&#8217;t let government and/or big media take away the freedoms we now have to experiment.&#8221; But we must look at ways that government can expand those freedoms and support new kinds experimentation. We have sketched some rough outlines of a journalist jobs program and a federal R&amp;D fund for journalistic innovation in our new report located here<a href="http://bit.ly/JournalismPolicy." rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/JournalismPolicy.</a><br />
(Also Paul and Dan &#8211; you might also be interested in this analysis and overview of many of the models and solutions being discussed &#8211; some mentioned in this post. While our focus was on the policies and political viability behind these models, there may be some use there for your projects.)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
		<link>http://mediactive.com/2009/06/08/saving-journalism-one-idea-at-a-time/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot about &#039;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2009/jun/01/channel4-research1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Crowdsourcing and micro-volunteering to save local journalism!&lt;/a&gt;. Whether my attempt ends up in the pile of failures or successes, to do nothing and learn nothing is the worst option of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot about &#8216;<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2009/jun/01/channel4-research1" rel="nofollow">Crowdsourcing and micro-volunteering to save local journalism!</a>. Whether my attempt ends up in the pile of failures or successes, to do nothing and learn nothing is the worst option of all.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sparrow</title>
		<link>http://mediactive.com/2009/06/08/saving-journalism-one-idea-at-a-time/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Sparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will be very public oriented.  We hope to lure you into participating at some point. When is the book coming out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will be very public oriented.  We hope to lure you into participating at some point. When is the book coming out?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gillmor</title>
		<link>http://mediactive.com/2009/06/08/saving-journalism-one-idea-at-a-time/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perri, give up on the old-line publishers. They don&#039;t want to get it.

Paul, the user&#039;s guide is exactly what my new book (and this site) is going to be. I suspect my direction will differ substantially from yours, however, but it&#039;ll be interesting to compare notes as the projects proceed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perri, give up on the old-line publishers. They don&#8217;t want to get it.</p>
<p>Paul, the user&#8217;s guide is exactly what my new book (and this site) is going to be. I suspect my direction will differ substantially from yours, however, but it&#8217;ll be interesting to compare notes as the projects proceed.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sparrow</title>
		<link>http://mediactive.com/2009/06/08/saving-journalism-one-idea-at-a-time/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Sparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see some perspective on the &quot;messy&quot; state we are in.  The Newseum is working on a series of programs that will explore and explain some of these experiments ( including Spot.us and True/Slant) to create a kind of users guide to the future of news.  IF you have suggestions pass them on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see some perspective on the &#8220;messy&#8221; state we are in.  The Newseum is working on a series of programs that will explore and explain some of these experiments ( including Spot.us and True/Slant) to create a kind of users guide to the future of news.  IF you have suggestions pass them on.</p>
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		<title>By: Perri Collins</title>
		<link>http://mediactive.com/2009/06/08/saving-journalism-one-idea-at-a-time/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Perri Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Dan, *we* know that all these experiments are just pieces of the puzzle, but how do you get that across to publishers who are still in the old midset, desperately grasping at the latest, greatest idea in hopes of salvaging what left of their newspapers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Dan, *we* know that all these experiments are just pieces of the puzzle, but how do you get that across to publishers who are still in the old midset, desperately grasping at the latest, greatest idea in hopes of salvaging what left of their newspapers?</p>
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		<title>By: Digidave</title>
		<link>http://mediactive.com/2009/06/08/saving-journalism-one-idea-at-a-time/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Digidave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Dan.
As one of many startups - I agree x 10.

I often get the &quot;so you are going to save journalism with Spot.Us&quot; question and my answer is always &quot;no.&quot; I am trying to be part of a much larger solution.

In the end - journalism will survive by combining lots of different things. Spot.Us is just one log floating in the water. We are going to need a bunch of logs and some rope if we are going to make a raft.

Here&#039;s to figuring out who can make some rope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Dan.<br />
As one of many startups &#8211; I agree x 10.</p>
<p>I often get the &#8220;so you are going to save journalism with Spot.Us&#8221; question and my answer is always &#8220;no.&#8221; I am trying to be part of a much larger solution.</p>
<p>In the end &#8211; journalism will survive by combining lots of different things. Spot.Us is just one log floating in the water. We are going to need a bunch of logs and some rope if we are going to make a raft.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to figuring out who can make some rope.</p>
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		<title>By: andreaitis</title>
		<link>http://mediactive.com/2009/06/08/saving-journalism-one-idea-at-a-time/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>andreaitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dan,  
A quick clarification: True/Slant contributors are not required or asked to find their own advertising sponsors.  
At T/S, we&#039;ve seen first-hand how every new initiative takes a turn under the will-this-save-journalism microscope. Newspapers are in trouble, but journalism will certainly survive. It will appear in new shapes on new platforms that we are only beginning to visualize.  I agree, it&#039;s this experimentation that&#039;s most exciting.
 As our CEO says, change isn&#039;t the roll of the dice; standing still is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dan, <br />
A quick clarification: True/Slant contributors are not required or asked to find their own advertising sponsors. <br />
At T/S, we&#8217;ve seen first-hand how every new initiative takes a turn under the will-this-save-journalism microscope. Newspapers are in trouble, but journalism will certainly survive. It will appear in new shapes on new platforms that we are only beginning to visualize.  I agree, it&#8217;s this experimentation that&#8217;s most exciting.<br />
 As our CEO says, change isn&#8217;t the roll of the dice; standing still is.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Dunn</title>
		<link>http://mediactive.com/2009/06/08/saving-journalism-one-idea-at-a-time/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no one magic bullet that will save journalism. Each news outlet needs to figure out what works best for them. It&#039;s unfortunate that, due to large corporate ownership and shortsighted management, that folks are searching for the Holy Grail and not the sustainable future right in front of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no one magic bullet that will save journalism. Each news outlet needs to figure out what works best for them. It&#8217;s unfortunate that, due to large corporate ownership and shortsighted management, that folks are searching for the Holy Grail and not the sustainable future right in front of them.</p>
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