Comments on: Moving Along: Mediactive http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-mediactive/ Creating a User's Guide to Democratized Media Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:27:01 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: This week in the paid content debate | Sips from the Firehose http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-mediactive/#comment-280 This week in the paid content debate | Sips from the Firehose Sat, 29 Aug 2009 02:54:54 +0000 http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-my-new-project/#comment-280 [...] In a slightly more constructive piece, Dan Gillmor, one of the authors of We the Media, announced that he is launching Mediactive, a site dedicated to getting the audience more involved in the news, but transforming them into “active users” rather than “passive consumers.”  The announcement piece is here http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-mediactive/ [...] [...] In a slightly more constructive piece, Dan Gillmor, one of the authors of We the Media, announced that he is launching Mediactive, a site dedicated to getting the audience more involved in the news, but transforming them into “active users” rather than “passive consumers.”  The announcement piece is here http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-mediactive/ [...]

]]> By: CJ Cornell http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-mediactive/#comment-254 CJ Cornell Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:09:31 +0000 http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-my-new-project/#comment-254 Great post, Dan. So, you've declared victory and are moving on -- but wait -- pulling out merely leaves chaos and destruction.  What of the refugees?   No reconstruction?   What fertile ground this is for the carpetbaggers.  Too late;  they're already here.  But instead of promising 40 acres and a mule, they are promising new revenue opportunities (and renewed stature and credibility) online -  if you just post your content on this or that new platform.   Sure, declare victory and then leave without a real exit strategy.  Oh, the irony ; )   Great post, Dan.
So, you’ve declared victory and are moving on — but wait — pulling out merely leaves chaos and destruction.  What of the refugees?   No reconstruction?   What fertile ground this is for the carpetbaggers.  Too late;  they’re already here.  But instead of promising 40 acres and a mule, they are promising new revenue opportunities (and renewed stature and credibility) online -  if you just post your content on this or that new platform.   Sure, declare victory and then leave without a real exit strategy.  Oh, the irony ; )
 

]]> By: Delia http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-mediactive/#comment-253 Delia Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:47:35 +0000 http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-my-new-project/#comment-253 Seth: you are welcome! Dan: re: 'Seth, [...] Your critiques (to which you *honorably sign your name*)' [my emphasis] I was hoping you had, by now, given up on the absurd notion that giving someone's full name online is the 'honorable' thing to do -- it contradicts your whole idea of a democratized media: it shouldn't matter *who* is saying it! And pushing people to give up their privacy is NOT the honorable thing to do as far as I'm concerned. D. Seth: you are welcome!

Dan:

re: ‘Seth, [...] Your critiques (to which you *honorably sign your name*)’ [my emphasis]

I was hoping you had, by now, given up on the absurd notion that giving someone’s full name online is the ‘honorable’ thing to do — it contradicts your whole idea of a democratized media: it shouldn’t matter *who* is saying it!

And pushing people to give up their privacy is NOT the honorable thing to do as far as I’m concerned. D.

]]> By: Dan Gillmor http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-mediactive/#comment-248 Dan Gillmor Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:05:22 +0000 http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-my-new-project/#comment-248 Seth, I haven't been on your so-called A-list for some time now. Your critiques (to which you honorably sign your name) are always worth reading even when I don't agree, which is not always. Seth, I haven’t been on your so-called A-list for some time now. Your critiques (to which you honorably sign your name) are always worth reading even when I don’t agree, which is not always.

]]> By: Stefan http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-mediactive/#comment-247 Stefan Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:02:19 +0000 http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-my-new-project/#comment-247 Great ideas. Particularly drawn in by this take: "Being active users of media is not an “eat your spinach because it’s good for you” exercise. It’s definitely good for us, but it’s also interesting and/or fun — and in the end truly satisfying." Too much of the current debate seems to be focused on "don't these youngsters know how important good news is!" plus general hand-wringing about a new blase generation that only cares about LOOK AT ME! content online. Thanks. Great ideas. Particularly drawn in by this take: “Being active users of media is not an “eat your spinach because it’s good for you” exercise. It’s definitely good for us, but it’s also interesting and/or fun — and in the end truly satisfying.” Too much of the current debate seems to be focused on “don’t these youngsters know how important good news is!” plus general hand-wringing about a new blase generation that only cares about LOOK AT ME! content online. Thanks.

]]> By: Seth Finkelstein http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-mediactive/#comment-246 Seth Finkelstein Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:49:44 +0000 http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-my-new-project/#comment-246 @Delia "Seth can expand on this in great detail and I believe he is right" Thank you. I knew I had written in great detail on this, and here's the <a href="http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/10/03/cnns-small-mistake-apple-shareholders-big-one/ ">most extensive thread</a> Read it and weep :-( I'm not inclined to write more, since as an A-lister, Dan always has the option of personal attack from "on high" while I can't effectively reply, and it's just not worth it :-( :-(. (there's a lesson in there which sort of refutes the whole project) @Delia
“Seth can expand on this in great detail and I believe he is right”
Thank you. I knew I had written in great detail on this, and here’s the <a href=”http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/10/03/cnns-small-mistake-apple-shareholders-big-one/ “>most extensive thread</a>
Read it and weep :-(
I’m not inclined to write more, since as an A-lister, Dan always has the option of personal attack from “on high” while I can’t effectively reply, and it’s just not worth it :-( :-(.
(there’s a lesson in there which sort of refutes the whole project)

]]> By: Delia http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-mediactive/#comment-244 Delia Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:54:07 +0000 http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-my-new-project/#comment-244 Dan, re: "help persuade passive consumers of media to become active users" The main problem I see with your approach is that most people don't have much time to spend on this nor would it be wise for them to spend the amount of time it would take to become sophisticated users on a volunteer basis (Seth can expand on this in great detail and I believe he is right). I would not call the demand "crappy'.  That's like a business calling the customers lousy because they are not interested in spending a great deal of their own time making the product work.  I fault the business, not the customers -- they are just acting rationally. I wish we could fast forward to the end of this period in journalism and see clearly just how odd it all is -- how many of the fundamental assumptions are just outlandish!   To some extent, I'd like to be awakened what it's all over: when the importance of striving for objectivity  is rediscovered and  those who profit from news actually deliver balanced news that you can use. Delia Dan,
re: “help persuade passive consumers of media to become active users”
The main problem I see with your approach is that most people don’t have much time to spend on this nor would it be wise for them to spend the amount of time it would take to become sophisticated users on a volunteer basis (Seth can expand on this in great detail and I believe he is right).
I would not call the demand “crappy’.  That’s like a business calling the customers lousy because they are not interested in spending a great deal of their own time making the product work.  I fault the business, not the customers — they are just acting rationally.
I wish we could fast forward to the end of this period in journalism and see clearly just how odd it all is — how many of the fundamental assumptions are just outlandish!   To some extent, I’d like to be awakened what it’s all over: when the importance of striving for objectivity  is rediscovered and  those who profit from news actually deliver balanced news that you can use.
Delia

]]> By: Media Nation » A media optimist’s latest venture http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-mediactive/#comment-243 Media Nation » A media optimist’s latest venture Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:10:28 +0000 http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-my-new-project/#comment-243 [...] the demand for quality news, which he believes is running well behind the burgeoning supply. He writes: We have raised several generations of passive consumers of news and information. That’s not good [...] [...] the demand for quality news, which he believes is running well behind the burgeoning supply. He writes: We have raised several generations of passive consumers of news and information. That’s not good [...]

]]> By: Dan Kennedy http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-mediactive/#comment-242 Dan Kennedy Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:55:14 +0000 http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-my-new-project/#comment-242 Very exciting, Dan. A lot of people, including me, will be watching closely. And I can't wait to read the book. Very exciting, Dan. A lot of people, including me, will be watching closely. And I can’t wait to read the book.

]]> By: bowerbird http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-mediactive/#comment-241 bowerbird Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:30:54 +0000 http://mediactive.com/2009/08/24/moving-along-my-new-project/#comment-241 i think you overestimate the extent to which o'reilly publications " truly get this stuff", but i wish you the best of luck... -bowerbird i think you overestimate the extent to which
o’reilly publications ” truly get this stuff”,
but i wish you the best of luck…

-bowerbird

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